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Victorian sky
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Living a lie?
by Victorian sky ini've been inactive for several months.
i know it's not the truth and mentally i've walked away.
would it be living a lie to remain inactive?
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Living a lie?
by Victorian sky ini've been inactive for several months.
i know it's not the truth and mentally i've walked away.
would it be living a lie to remain inactive?
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Victorian sky
Thank you both for your insight. Dansk said it wouldn't be living a lie it would be just living. Nikita, yes I know I made the right decision. Sorry about what happended to you. Can they do that? DA you for marrying someone outside the borg? That's awful.
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Who Do You Think Will Be The Next American Idol?
by Scarlet ini love this show.
i did not watch the last one but this one has been quite good.
i really don't like corey.
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Victorian sky
I hope it's Clay or Ruben, Carmen is pretty but I don't think her voice is exceptional in any way. Trenese needs to eat! Her boobs have no support, that's why they looked wierd - she's sooo boney. Yeah, she's a bit full of herself but the girl can sing, I was blown away. I love Clay - really admire his confidence and his voice rocks. Love Ruben & his dimples and that Luther Vandros voice! Wish I could just hug him. I don't like Julia (no confidence and not much of a personality) I like both Kimberlys even though Caldwell is a wee bit full of herself. Love the Marine, he makes me feel so patriotic!
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Living a lie?
by Victorian sky ini've been inactive for several months.
i know it's not the truth and mentally i've walked away.
would it be living a lie to remain inactive?
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Victorian sky
I've been inactive for several months. I know it's not the truth and mentally I've walked away. But is that enough? Would it be living a lie to remain inactive? I hate the thought of being a hypocrite and I want the freedom to believe and do what I want. I don't want to be looking over my shoulder wondering if anyone is looking (I've voted in the last 2 elections!) I'm also repulsed by the things the WTS has done and I don't want any part of it. But I don't want to hurt/lose my family or close friends. I know you all can't tell me what to do but did anyone else struggle with this question? Would it be living a lie if I don't Disassociate myself? Please help! - Victorian Sky
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Did you leave the Borg 'in search of truth' or 'freedom from rules'?
by BLISSISIGNORANCE inthis question is not to offend anyone, it's just that i have noticed people have many different reasons for leaving the borg and i thought it would be interesting to find out why some of you left.. for example:some leave because they want to be free to smoke, drink, gamble, fornicate, grow beards, celebrate xmas, take blood and drugs, etc.some leave because they never believed and now are old enough to do as they want.some leave because they have seen that they can be happy living life free from any religious organization, yet still feel safe in god's love.some have been hurt by the borg and have taken their wounds away to lick them, waiting to see justice.some have trusted the borg with their lives, time and money...........only to discover recently that there has been lies, cover-ups and hypocracy in the borg.
now they have left but need to belong to another organization to feel happy.. i left the borg because i found out about the cover-ups and lies.
my family was abused by it, my child was sexually abused and i was df'ed.
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Victorian sky
Bliss, Great question. No, I didn't leave because I wanted to go buck wild. I was burned out, emotionally & physically exhausted. I was guilt ridden about everything, even though I was (and still am) a good girl. I don't drink, do drugs and I don't fornicate! I had doubts about what I believed after I was mistreated by an elder I loved and trusted. It shook me to the core and all the doubts I had and what I truly believed came to the surface. Then I went on the internet, read Crisis of Conscience and I was stunned by the history. I recently found out about the silent lamb coverups and the murder/suicides of disfellowshiped ones and I'm repulsed that I belonged to such a heartless group. I have absolutely no desire to belong to another religion. I love God, I have high personal standards that I don't impose on others or judge them for (like so many in the borg) and I'm happy to be free. Victorian Sky
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What are the stages of walking away?
by logansrun inwell, it's been a good ten months since i walked away from the jws and it's been quite a journey.
i notice that the initial fears, self-doubt and rage are no longer with me.
when i first left i could hardly look at a wt or awake magazine without getting wave after wave of anxiety and frustration.
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Bradley, Great post. I think your feelings are normal and you've made considerable progress. I don't know if I'm as far along as you are. I started having doubts 6 years ago. I've been away from the meetings for 4 months. It's tough emotionally but consider the alternative? I agree with Ballistic, Mulan and others. Our time 'in' was not wasted. For better or worse the borg has shaped who we are. I don't remember who said it but take the good with you, because there was some good and let go of the negative stuff (I know, easier said than done) At first, I hated everything to do with organized religion. Considered anyone who went on and on about God, a fanatic. I had nightmares about dying at Armageddon, about being shunned by family. Was bitter, angry and scared out of my mind. Now I'm at peace with my decision to leave. I love many people I left behind and I always will. I know the borg isn't the truth and even a dangerous belief system but I can't view them as a cult just yet and I'm not ready to DA even though I want no part of the religion. Strange huh? On a brighter note, I'm going back to college too! What are you studying? I'm going back for my Masters in Film (not exactly traditional dub career choice!) It was something I wanted to do for years but I supressed it along with every other natural desire. The putting life on hold until the new system has ruined a lot of lives. I'm so much happier now that I've given myself permission to live my life on my terms. Make my own decisions, the freedom to trust myself. Remember all that talk of 'not trusting your own heart, not trusting what feels right, not trusting your own Bible trained conscience!' Well to hec with that! My inner voice was screaming when I was in the borg and now I listen to it and I'm thankful to God for my freedom. I'm happy for you too, stay strong, Victorian Sky
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Verses that bothered you as a JW
by JH inwe find god's name "jehovah" so many times in the old testament, but not at all in the new testament.
jesus is called a "mighty god" in the bible.
jesus is also called "father".
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Victorian sky
Great question. First off, I still believe in God even though I have a few quesitons for him. A few verses by the Apostle Paul (he's not my favorite!) I've heard ad nauseum: Shunning -'not even greeting anyone called a brother' (so harsh), Marry only in the Lord (it wasn't just the lack of brothers it was the lack of good, strong men among them!), Subjection/Headship (I don't need a dad, I'd like a partner!), Head covering (what in hec for?), women can't teach in the congregation (why not?) The issue of Universal Sov. and the permission of human suffering. A God with unlimited power 'permits' a kid to be molested or killed, those poor people who jumped to their death from the World Trade Center and there's no divine intervention for them but the angels will protect a dub out in service? Does that make any sense? The Old (harsh) and New (merciful) Testement has a God with split personality disorder. The entire book of Revelation. If salvation is a life or death issue then why all the symbolism? This beast means that nation. That number really means this. Too much confusion. Just say - In the 21st Century, if you want to survive God's War, you must join this religion to be saved. Why leave so much open to interpretation if you want all to survive? - Victorian Sky
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When Cowards Run a Religion
by metatron inonce upon a time, judge rutherford stood before a crowd in madison square garden.
the audience included many catholic action types who could have easily included an assassin.
the judge may have been a lot of things (well,..... drunk, ego-manical, adulterous, and dishonest, actually) but he wasn't a coward.
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Metatron, I can understand why you're angry but for your own health and happiness, let it go, the anger will tear you apart. I think talking with others who've been there done that helps a lot. Initially, I was furious with the borg but especially myself for believing all those years. I kept thinking, what if? But now I'm at peace with my decision to leave. There are people in the WTS that I will always love, a few I even respect. I know that the Society is bloodguilty and I wonder, can a person just walk away? Or try to expose them? What do you think? Victorian Sky
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Bad Doors in the field service
by JH in.
did you ever knock on a door, and realize that the person knew more about the bible than you did?
what was your worst experience in the field service?.
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Victorian sky
Some of these posts are hilarious. I have one, when I was 17 we were offering the Live Forever Book. Well I was totally confident in my presentation until this gorgeous guy came to the door in a towel, dripping wet. After I picked my jaw off the ground (the sister with me was speechless)totally flustered, I said: 'Would you like for us to live together?' (I meant live forever!) He grinned and said: 'I'm up for it if you are!' Victorian Sky
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Reconciling with Dad
by jws inas you may or may not know from previous posts, i am a born & raised jw who just drifted away (no df/da) from a father and two sisters who still keep the jw faith.
and while my father is aware that i have "apostate" beliefs of some kind, he prefers not to hear of it.
as a result, we still enjoy each other's company and nobody has "shunned" me.
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Victorian sky
Dear jws, James T made a good point about making the time you spend with your Dad count. At his age it would devestate him if he knew that his life was built around a lie, (I'm inactive now but I was in for 14 years, reg. pioneered & so forth) I lost a decade of my life (my 20's) I would give anything to have that time back so I could do things differently but I can only use the time I have now (I'm 30) But I have time. Your Dad doesn't have decades to change his life into something of his own making. You and I do. It would break his heart. You must love him very much to be so torn up about it but I think the others are right about leaving him in peace. God is greater than all of us, more powerful than any false religion and he will undo any damage emotional, spiritual or otherwise done to your Dad. Just love him, treat him with the kindness he will never recieve from any jw. There is a perception in the borg that ex-jws are cold/unloving so prove them wrong. Your love in action will speak to your dad lounder than any sermon could. He may not know the truth about the 'truth' but he'll know without a doubt that his son loves him. Victorian sky